Vladek was a young adult during WWII. Look at the USHMM's Online Exhibition Collaboration and Complicity, and find the TEENAGERS TAB. Listen to the other views of survivors who were young adults during WWII. How does viewing images and listening to other accounts add to the authenticity of Vladek's memory that Artie was trying so hard to deliver?
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Artie's grief over his dead brother is seen on page 15 in his conversation with Francoise, particularly in the first panel when Artie wonders if he would have gotten along with Richieu. Artie's head is down and he appears to be sad. In the sixth and seventh panels on the same page, Artie talks about the pain of being unable to compete with the perfect memory of the dead boy. It is clear in the seventh panel that Artie is angry at feeling inferior to Richieu. One example of Vladek displaying survivor guilt is on page 74 in panels three and four. Vladek makes the same noise in his sleep that the Belgian prisoner made in panels four and seven on page 59. It is clear that Vladek carries that dead Belgian boy's pain. Another example of Vladek's pain is on page 116 in panels two through seven when he speaks of losing all of his family members. His face is down, his attitude is depressed, and he mourns not having a photo of them. Listening to other survivors adds to the authenticity of Vladek's memory because it is easier to feel the reality when listening to human voices instead of simply looking at drawings of mice in the camps (100).
ReplyDeleteArtie feels a sense of grief about never knowing his brother. He feels like he never could have a relationship with him. On page 15 it really shows him wondering if he could have ever had a relationship with him. Continuing on to the next panels we see a sibling rivalry of him and his perfect memory of a dead boy. an example of Vladek carrying survivors guilt is on pg.116 when he discusses all his dead family members and all of Anja's dead family members. When listening to the survivors I felt like I could feel the pain and emotion in there voices and this added more color to Vladek's story. (100)
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I feel Artie also had grief about not meeting his brother, or even what happened to him. Artie seems to feel sad and some what depressed , because he never could have a relationship with him, and as if he was lost without him. I also feel like listening to the survivor stories I could but my self in that position and , it makes me sad to think about what they went threw and how hash it must have been. I also felt at times they were like talking to me and i could hear there voices in my mind. (92) ~ Kaori McGowan
DeleteOn pg 15, we see Artie reminiscing about his brother whom he had never come in contact with. Richieu, (his brother) whom Artie could talk about, but will never come in contact with, had a deep effect on him as he shows a somewhat angry emotion toward him. We see an emotional side of Vladek on pg 116 with a depressed and devastated facial expression, and we know he is hurt by something. When he talks about his family and brothers as they were his actual brothers gives us a clear example that he feels not only saddened and depressed, but emotionally unenvolved with the suffering they faced. (108)
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I agree that the brother which Artie never met had a great impact on his emotional state. He shows various emotions towards the subject on his brother, Richieu. The fact that Artie was never able to meet his brother shows us a sense of depression in his life along with a sense of longing for him to have one day been able to meet his brother. The way he is illustrated also shows the way he feels about his brother. (80)
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The items that were on the web page helped to convey an image to the audience that is watching. That image is one that shows how realistic the Holocaust was and how real it feels as a teenager. As a teenager, you can easily relate to the people from this website and the characters in both Maus books. It also shows how much these people had to go through every day of their lives just to survive the destructive and gruesome Holocaust. It truly is sad to see how this destructive and violent event affected so many people that possibly led normal lives just like the teenagers today, and that they were killed just for their beliefs. (117)
ReplyDeleteArt’s brother Rhieu causes him grief throughout Maus 2. In the earlier parts of the book Richieu's picture hangs in his parent’s room, where none of his hang. In addition he complains of being compared to his "ghost brother". As Art put it on page 15 "he was the ideal kid ... and I was a pain in the ass". Art says he never felt guilty for what happened to Richieu but he did have nightmares about it. Speaking of guilt I now move on to Vladek. On page 115 Vladek tell us that "all he has left (of his family) are the photos". This is how he shows survivors’ guilt. The videos show that this isn’t an isolated case. Similar events took place in other countries as well. Listening to their stories brings home the message more than these comic books. Words: 142
ReplyDeleteArtie's brother, who did not make it out of the war, created an incomparable older sibling. On page 15 Artie says that in his parents eyes Richieu could do no wrong and Artie was the trouble child. Vladek could not completely adjust to a normal life after the tragedies in his life. Throughout the two books he is shown to be a hoarder of useless materials and seems to be constantly trying to be busy. The accounts by other survivors assists in the authenticity of Vladek's memory by showing the human reactions from the different perspectives.(96)
ReplyDeleteArtie's emotions are displayed throughout the story. The fact that he had a brother, who Vladek loved very much, is killing Art on the inside since he feels guilt for what happened to his "ghost brother"(pg. 15). The fact that Vladek is so cheap could be not only because of the war, but because the death of Richieu has affected him so much. Also, Richieu not making it out of the war and Art living so easily makes him feel guilty. One of the reasons he feels guilty is because he says he feels he can't fully understand what they lived through without himself living it. (100)
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ReplyDeleteArtie's feelings toward his dead brother, Richieu, are revealed in MAUS II. Artie reveals that he feels guilt for his brother, even though they never met. Artie is constantly reminded of Richieu and how much he was loved. He knows that Richieu will always have a special place in his fathers heart that he wont be able to reach. There are plenty of pictures of Richieu around the house, but rarely any pictures of Artie. He also feels jealous. He wants to be loved by his father the same way he loved Richieu.
Vladek's guilt shows through he way he behaves. He is constantly in a bad mood and has trouble sympathizing with people. He is also very greedy. He will keep anything that he believes he can use in some way. The effects of the war have had a lasting effect on. (139)
Artie's emotions for his deceased brother,Richieu, are revealed in MAUS II. On page 15,in the first panel, Artie was having a conversation with his wife Francoise regarding the relationship between him and his brother. Artie feels very guilty for his brother, even though they had never seen and met each other before. Artie constantly reminded himself how much Richieu was loved and how important he is in his father's heart. There were a variety of pictures of his deceased brother around the house and very few pictures of Artie. This made Artie jealous. He wants to be loved by his father as if he was to be Richieu.(108)
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ReplyDeleteDespite never meeting his brother, Artie recalls the relationship he had with his deceased brother and the pain he feels regarding Richieu’s death in a conversation with his wife. (Page 15) Richieu was special to his father. The emotions from Richieu’s death are still displayed from Vladek’s behavior. The pictures displayed throughout the house Richieu, rather than Artie. This brings a sense of jealousy to Artie who would like to be loved by his father the same way Richieu was. (78)
I think Artie feels grief about his brother’s passing because it could’ve been him. Artie is thankful that he wasn’t born first, like his poor brother was. I think he also feels grief of never actually meeting him. He never got the chance to meet his brother. Then Vladek also has grief after the war. He feels that he was to lucky to survive, while others weren’t so lucky. As we can see on page 116, he is very depressed because of this. Vladek also feels grief for the suffering that they went through (94)
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Well it starts on page 15 where Artie's grief starts for his brother. You can tell that he looks back and would want to start over a again. There is a sense of regret within Artie. Even when he never meet his brother. But Vkadek didn't take it so easy. Vladek loved Richieu telling by the pictures. And that is where Artie jealousy began because of Vladek relationship with his brother Richieu. (85) Daniel Vazquez
ReplyDeleteEven though Vladek is still alive, he sometimes feels bad that he is so. There is no specific reason as to why Vladek is alive, and he knows that. He had seen thousands of people die right before him and he knows the entire time that it could have been him. When he looks back on his past, he gets mad and upset. The past causes Vladek a lot of stress, and he hates to look back on it. Artie brother died before he was able to meet him. His brother was truly loved by Vladek and he will always remember him. Whenever Artie is reminded of his brother, he tended to seem jealous because he could have been the one who was loved so much. On the other hand Artie is extremely grateful for being alive and knows deep down that his father still loves him. (147 Words)
ReplyDeleteNever knowing his brother who died during the war gives him guilt because he survived, but his brother died, Artie probably wishes that he would've died instead of his brother. On page 15, we can see Artie talk about his brother, and how he regrets that he never had a friendship with him. He also talks about his dead family members, and also Anja's dead family members too, and how we wishes he wasn't one of the only who survived. (82)
ReplyDeleteHe probably did have tons of guilt over the fact that he never had a friendship with his brother.
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ReplyDeleteArtie's brother that he never knew caused Artie grief because he never knew how he looked like or how he was as a person. All that Artie ever knew of him was that photo. Artie also tells Francoise that he felt that he was competing against all the time. The pain was caused by his father never moving on about the death of his son Richieu.(page 15) Vladek shows survival guilt by always wanting to build everything. I think that is a way he gets over the dramatic experience. Building is something that he can control unlike the deaths of his family members. An example is Vladek trying to fix the draining pipe on the roof. (100 words )
Why does the picture alone cause grief?
ReplyDeleteSince Art never knew his brother it almost like he didn't exist in his view on life. Art in Ch.1 thinks about whether him and his brother would have gotten along with each other. He shows his grief by having a psychologist and having a very short patience. In Ch.3 when he saw his brother picture on his dads dresser he broke out into tears and was depressed for the rest of the day. Francoise tries to ease his pain but it is not enough. It is almost like Richieu was a part of his 'world' but not apart of his 'Life". (100)
ReplyDeleteI agree that Artie really felt sad and heart broken that he had never seen his brother and had a huge impact on his life and became very emotional for him. It shows how depressed His life had must've been at the time and just reminiscing on his brother when he went everyday not meeting him. The way he wrote and illustrated the book showed very much his emotion to his story and you can recognize it through everything he says. (81)
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Janan Moein SAHS Block 3
ReplyDeleteArtie had Very strong feelings regarding his long deceased brother Richelieu. These feelings were summoned by his fathers many positive stories about Richelieu. These stories parked feelings of inadequacy within Artie. On page 15 of Maus II, Artie tells Francoise that he wonders if he would get along with Richelieu. Richelieu's memory is a looming cloud of grief in Artie's life. Vladek also has his own share of emotions in Maus II. Vladek shows signs of survivors guilt and is unable to digest other peoples emotions. The war also made him a greedy person. As you can see the war had a negative and lasting effect on Vladek and Arties. (100)
I completely agree with that fact that the war had a huge impact on both men.
DeleteArtie shows grief about his Brother quite a bit, but specifically on page fifteen. He's having a conversation with his wife about whether or not he thought they would have gotten along or not. His father brought up positive things about his brother constantly, making Artie want to be similar to the deceased. As for Vladek, he doesnt know why he was one of the survivors. He witnessed many people die and honestly doesn't get why he got to make it out alive and they didn't.
ReplyDeleteArtie feels grief because he was never able to meet his brother. He wonders if they would have gotten along or not as well as Vladek is always comparing Artie to his younger brother that he never met, and Vladek always brings up artie's younger brother. Vladek feels survivor's guillt because he witnessed death all around him and knows that his family and friends had died and he would rather them be alive then him. He also has the same guilt because his wife had killed herself and left him alone.
ReplyDeleteArtie feels grief because he was never able to meet his brother. He wonders if they would have gotten along or not as well as Vladek is always comparing Artie to his younger brother that he never met, and Vladek always brings up artie's younger brother. Vladek feels survivor's guillt because he witnessed death all around him and knows that his family and friends had died and he would rather them be alive then him. He also has the same guilt because his wife had killed herself and left him alone.
ReplyDeleteHe has grief cause he never knew his brother, he never got to spend time with him. He never got to have a brother. His dad is very sad about his sons death, he feels that if he did something differently he would still be around. Like if they stayed in the bunker instead of leaving it and trying to get away from the Germans or not letting his friend take his son to protect him.
ReplyDeleteHe has grief because he never got to experience what his brother was like, and always wondered whether they would get along. His dad has guilt because of the fact that he witnessed deaths, but he survived.
ReplyDeleteHe has grief because he never got to experience what his brother was like, and always wondered whether they would get along. His dad has guilt because of the fact that he witnessed deaths, but he survived.
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